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                When 
                  did you become a Christian ? | 
              
               
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                I 
                  received the Lord at an early age at home. I attended Sunday 
                  School and church regularly with my family. Even though I was 
                  very young I could understand at some level the Pastor's sermons 
                  because I knew I was a sinner and needed the Lord to save me. 
                  During the closing invitation each week I sensed the Lord was 
                  prompting me to respond, but since I was pretty young, I assumed 
                  people would think I was not "old enough" to understand. 
                   
                   
                  I remember talking to my mother at home about it one day. She 
                  said, "When your dad gets home he will talk with you about 
                  it further." Later that same day, a Saturday in 1961 , 
                  my dad led me through several Bible passages and I prayed to 
                  receive Christ as Savior and Lord. (I was baptized at a later 
                  time when I was seven years old.) | 
              
               
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                Have 
                  you always been interested in art ? | 
              
               
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                Yes, as a small 
                  boy I always remember drawing. As I got a little older , I recall 
                  drawing pictures of school teachers, classmates, animals...just 
                  about anything.  | 
              
               
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                Where 
                  is your office located ?  | 
              
               
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                I have a "home 
                  office" which works out well. We have a 2 1/2 car garage 
                  that is separate from our house, but only a few feet away. Half 
                  of it has been converted into my office/studio. This is also 
                  where I do all of the black light work on the "hidden" 
                  pictures that I use in presentations. This arrangement is much 
                  handier than having to drive to an office at another location. | 
              
               
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                Where 
                  did you study art ? | 
              
               
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                Actually, I 
                  have never had any formal training. We had art class in elementary 
                  school but I don't really recall much about it. As a boy, I 
                  once started a correspondence art course but I don't think I 
                  ever actually finished it for some reason. Back in the early 
                  to mid 80's I attended a workshop in Michigan where I purchased 
                  some supplies, chalk , and an old easel. I also received some 
                  basic instructions and went home and experimented with it. Even 
                  though I give full credit to the Lord for allowing me to have 
                  some natural abilities in this field, I would describe myself 
                  as being primarily "self-taught."  | 
              
               
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                How 
                  long have you been doing this ministry ?  | 
              
               
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                The first "official" 
                  presentation I did in public was on Easter Sunday night of 1984. 
                  Several requests for presentations followed, but I did not begin 
                  on a full-time basis until 1987. So, at the end of 2006 would 
                  have concluded my 20th year. | 
              
               
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                How 
                  did you get started in such a unique ministry ?  | 
              
               
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                In the early 
                  1980's I was teaching a young adult Sunday School class. I was 
                  already using visual teaching techniques in my class, but wondered 
                  how artwork could somehow be incorporated into the teaching. 
                  Since I had been interested in art since I was a boy, I investigated 
                  that possibility a bit further.  
                   
                  I had been introduced to chalk art in 1980 while attending a 
                  seminar while living in Sacramento, California. I contacted 
                  Bill Gothard of Institute in Basic Life Principles and through 
                  him heard of a man in Michigan that had been involved in chalk 
                  art for many years. As mentioned above in another answer I attended 
                  a workshop in 1984 and was able to purchase an old easel and 
                  some supplies. I began to experiment with some various techniques, 
                  although at that point never really thought this would all progress 
                  into a full time ministry.  
                   
                  On Easter Sunday night of 1984 I did a presentation at our local 
                  church. It seemed to be very effective. I was asked that same 
                  night by some people from another area church if I could come 
                  to their church sometime. As time went on, I received many requests 
                  from area churches as the word spread. Eventually, I started 
                  to send out a few postcards that described this unique approach 
                  to sharing the Gospel. The requests increased even more after 
                  that. By 1986 we began to pray about the possibility of starting 
                  an official ministry under the authority of our local church.....which 
                  we did in 1987. | 
              
               
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                  What 
                    Bible College did you attend ?  | 
              
               
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                Actually, I 
                  did not attend Bible College. Not that I am opposed to that 
                  of course, but in the way all this started , I was not really 
                  in a position to attend college. Obviously, I read and study 
                  the Bible on a regular basis and have learned a great deal from 
                  good Bible Teachers and Pastors over the years. | 
              
               
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                  Do 
                    you have a mentor, or someone who encouraged you to do this 
                    ?  | 
              
               
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                 Not really. 
                  Bill Gothard, the man I mentioned earlier, was the person who 
                  I originally got the "idea" from. Even though his 
                  style of chalk art was a little different than mine...I guess 
                  you could say that he "visualized achievement" for 
                  me through his ministry. His total dedication to Christ I'm 
                  sure played a role in those early years....and still does today. 
                  Also, a man by the name of Ding Teuling from Muskegon, Michigan 
                  was the guy whose chalkart workshop I attended over 20 years 
                  ago. His willingness to share his talents and knowledge of this 
                  medium has greatly benefited me. I think I could safely say 
                  that had it not been for Bill Gothard and Ding Teuling I would 
                  not be doing this today.  
                   
                  Another friend of mine who has been a real encouragement is 
                  Rod Snow from Niles, Michigan. He is a great chalk artist as 
                  well as a ventriloquist. We have stayed in touch regularly for 
                  over 20 years now. In addition to these 3 men, I would say my 
                  wife, Shirley, has played an important role as well...especially 
                  initially. I was a little apprehensive in the beginning as to 
                  whether something like this could or would "take off" 
                  to the point of being a viable "occupation." She encouraged 
                  me and has been through alot of circumstances that many wives 
                  do not experience whose husbands have "normal" occupations. | 
              
               
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                  Have 
                    you taken courses on public speaking ?  | 
              
               
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                 No. I 
                  am the last person on earth I ever thought would do anything 
                  like this. Years ago I recall telling the Lord I desired to 
                  be used of Him as long as it could be "behind the scenes" 
                  so to speak , because there would be absolutely no way I could 
                  ever get up in front of a group and say anything. I guess that 
                  didn't work out so well. | 
              
               
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                  Are 
                    you right-handed or left handed or amodextrious ?  | 
              
               
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                 Right-handed. 
                  I do draw some with my left hand but that is primarily so the 
                  audience can see a little better from various locations. I had 
                  tennis elbow some years back and so when my arm would begin 
                  to hurt I tried using my left hand a little to give my right 
                  arm a rest. It didn't seem real awkward, so I have kept it up 
                  for several years now, even though I am right-handed. It's funny 
                  in a way though, because as I type this I just realized that 
                  I never have "practiced" with my left hand. I just 
                  do it off and on while drawing in public...kind of weird.  | 
              
               
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                  Does 
                    your wife and daughter travel with you ?  | 
              
               
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                 Sometimes. 
                  It all depends on their schedules and where I have meetings 
                  scheduled etc. We try to go together several times throughout 
                  the year although most meetings I am by myself. Shirley sings 
                  when she can accompany me and also runs my sound. We have had 
                  some great times in lots of states around the country and have 
                  met many great people. Wendy is a very good traveler and loves 
                  meeting all the people we meet at our services. | 
              
               
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                  Do 
                    you stay at motels/hotels or in homes when you are on the 
                    road ?  | 
              
               
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                 Oh boy, 
                  I could write a novel here (but I won't) The majority of the 
                  time the church provides an area motel for me (us) to stay in. 
                  On some occasions, we stay with a family who attends the church 
                  where we are holding meetings. We have had some very unusual 
                  and humorous experiences over the years which I won't go into 
                  here. However, the vast majority of the time staying with people 
                  has been a good experience. We have met lots of nice people, 
                  many of whom we keep in contact with to this day. Don't get 
                  me wrong though, motels were a tremendous invention...life can 
                  be great, even at Super 8. : )  | 
              
               
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                  What 
                    do you do with the pictures that you draw at your meetings 
                    ?  | 
              
               
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                 I keep 
                  them, as I can actually use the background over again a few 
                  times. The "hidden" part of the drawing is done in 
                  invisible fluorescent chalk. Depending upon what I draw in that 
                  part of the picture it can take me 4-10 hours of tedious work. 
                  The part of the drawing I do in public can be removed (they 
                  told me years ago that it couldn't be done) I carefully use 
                  a shop-vac with a brush on it which will take off part of the 
                  chalk...then, I rub it with a regular chalk board eraser which 
                  removes more of it until I "clean off" most of the 
                  drawing, except for the "hidden" part. I have to vacuum 
                  the eraser several times during this process.  
                   
                  After getting it cleaned , I fill in all the blank area with 
                  regular chalk to get the background prepared to draw on it again. 
                  I call it "prepping the picture." This way, I can 
                  use that same background over again a few times at other churches 
                  so I don't have to re-draw the "hidden" part of the 
                  picture over and over each time. This saves me a great deal 
                  of time and enables me to get a little more "mileage" 
                  out of that particular background.  
                   
                  I can haul up to 12 different backgrounds in my trailer in such 
                  a way that they do not rub together or get damaged while transporting 
                  them. Due to this, I can not "give away" my drawings 
                  at the meetings as some artists have done in the past ( to whoever 
                  brings the most first time visitors etc.) The "hidden" 
                  part of the drawing is done in the dark, under a black light. 
                  All of this special "invisible fluorescent chalk" 
                  looks white, until it is held under a black light in the dark. 
                  I usually do these drawings at home in my office before ever 
                  going to the church, since they are very time consuming. Plus, 
                  I cannot be assured I can get the auditorium or sanctuary where 
                  I will be drawing dark enough to be able to "see" 
                  properly to draw the "hidden" image. | 
              
               
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                  Do 
                    you ever sell chalk drawings ?  | 
              
               
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                 Yes, 
                  on occasion. I don't "advertise" it alot because I 
                  don't have alot of extra time to do drawings as they are very 
                  time consuming. Of course, I take much more time to complete 
                  a drawing I am selling to someone than the quickly drawn ones 
                  I do in our meetings. (But I will do them when I can find the 
                  time.) I used to have a sheet on our display table that listed 
                  the descriptions of several different drawings...prices etc. 
                  but I don't do that so much anymore.... I get too many people 
                  wanting to buy them. Most of the time, people want a drawing 
                  done like the one they see me do at any given service. The size 
                  is roughly 40 x 55 inches and the cost is 295.00....this includes 
                  the "hidden picture." Drawings without a hidden picture 
                  are considerably less in cost.  
                   
                  We do have a program where people can win a free drawing of 
                  their choice. When someone recommends our ministry to a church 
                  that eventually schedules us (due to their recommendation ) 
                  they can get their drawing at no cost. A number of people have 
                  taken advantage of this over the years. | 
              
               
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                  Who 
                    does your bookings for you ?  | 
              
               
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                 Sometimes 
                  people assume that churches or some "agency" does 
                  that for me, but I actually do all of it myself. It is a huge 
                  undertaking and very time consuming, getting all the meetings 
                  scheduled and materials sent for promotion, mileage figured, 
                  directions, time zones etc. It would be nice to just be told 
                  where I am to go, but unfortunately for me, it is pretty much 
                  a "one man operation." In January and February of 
                  each year, I usually do a mailing to churches of some literature 
                  explaining about the availability of our ministry. Over the 
                  past few years, that has been partially replaced by sending 
                  e-mails to Pastors and churches, primarily because of ever increasing 
                  postage rates. I sometimes place a small ad in Christian magazines 
                  or newspapers. For the amount of engagements I schedule in a 
                  years time, I really do very little advertising, most of the 
                  meetings scheduled come from "word of mouth" recommendations. 
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                  Do 
                    you ever go to smaller churches, or does the congregation 
                    have to be a certain size ?  | 
              
               
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                 I go 
                  wherever the Lord opens the door, regardless of the numbers. 
                  I have spoken and drawn in front of crowds all the way from 
                  1,800 people down to 18 people. As long as people are present, 
                  I see it as an opportunity to clearly share the truth of scripture. 
                  The truth of God's Word being conveyed is the primary goal, 
                  since it is the only thing that has the power to actually change 
                  hearts and lives. When I do a series of meetings, like a Sunday 
                  morning through a Wednesday night ( 5 or 6 different sessions 
                  ) we often see the attendance build as people become familiar 
                  with this unique approach and want to attend the next service 
                  and bring friends or relatives with them.  
                   
                  I recall a Pastor reluctantly asking me if I would come to their 
                  church, which only averaged 32 people on Sunday morning. I said 
                  I would come and by Wednesday night they had 111 people in attendance 
                  which was very encouraging to the leadership there. Recently, 
                  I was at a church that was reportedly the largest church in 
                  that state for that particular denomination, the next week I 
                  was in a much smaller church. The church size really varies 
                  from week to week so it keeps everything interesting as well 
                  as challenging. One thing I've noticed over the years though, 
                  is that people and their needs are basically the same all over 
                  the country, whether they attend a small , medium , or large 
                  church. | 
              
               
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                  Do 
                    you have a set fee to do a service or does the church take 
                    up offerings for your ministry ?  | 
              
               
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                 The church 
                  normally covers my basic expenses and then takes up free-will 
                  love offerings at the close of the presentations. This, of course, 
                  is "risky" but just all a part of trusting the Lord 
                  to provide. Our "Financial Arrangements" are listed 
                  here on our Web Site. You can click on that navigation bar on 
                  the left side of our home page to read more specific details. 
                  Usually, churches use the suggested financial formulas listed 
                  there. Even when a church is not able to cover our expenses, 
                  I normally still go to that church and trust the Lord to provide 
                  through the offerings.  | 
              
               
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                  Are 
                    you a tax-deductible ministry like a church ?  | 
              
               
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                 No. We 
                  did look into that once , but decided against it due to all 
                  the regulations etc. | 
              
               
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                  Can 
                    I make a tax deductible gift to Drawing Closer Ministries 
                    ?  | 
              
               
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                Yes. We do 
                  not publicly ask for donations but are sometimes asked this 
                  question. If you would like to do so, you may write your check 
                  out to : "Living Hope Bible Church" and mail it to....Living 
                  Hope Bible Church.... 201 West Walnut....Eldon, Iowa 52554. 
                  In the memo line write, "Drawing Closer Ministries" 
                  or "DCM." Or, if you want, write a short note that 
                  you want this amount to go to our ministry. At the end of the 
                  year you may request a giving receipt that you may use for income 
                  tax purposes. If you are not concerned about whether or not 
                  your contribution is tax deductible, you can just make out the 
                  check to "Drawing Closer Ministries" and mail to 1935 
                  Greenwood Drive...Ottumwa, Iowa 52501. Even though we make no 
                  public appeals for donations, we do appreciate and can make 
                  good use of any support we receive. | 
              
               
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                  Where 
                    do you get your chalk ?  | 
              
               
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                 I usually 
                  get it from a couple of sources in Michigan. It is hard to find 
                  and expensive. For further info you may contact the following: 
                  Teuling Enterprises c/o Cristie Faltinowski....14200 138th Avenue...Grand 
                  Haven, Michigan 49417 ....Phone: 616-845-2166 or Eternity Arts....3160 
                  Jaquay Road....Boyne City, Michigan 49712....Phone: 231-536-9000. | 
              
               
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                  Do 
                    you know of any other chalk artists ?  | 
              
               
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                 I know 
                  very few. The main one I know is my friend, Rod Snow, that I 
                  mentioned earlier in the answer to Question # 8. There are a 
                  few people I know of around the country that use chalk art in 
                  some form, but not many I know of using it in full-time Christian 
                  work. I guess everyone has their own "style"and focus. 
                  Some have used chalk art that is geared more to smaller children 
                  and elementary age kids, while our ministry is geared more to 
                  adults and/or the church congregation as a whole. One statement 
                  we have heard repeatedly over the years when at a church is..." 
                  Well, I've seen chalk artistry before - but never anything like 
                  this !" In fact, we heard that so many times that we actually 
                  used that phrase on some of our literature for awhile. The person 
                  I would consider as being the "Grandfather of Chalk Artistry" 
                  is Ding Teuling. He is an older gentlemen who has helped many 
                  people in this field over the years by conducting his own workshops 
                  and seminars. I am very grateful to him for his willingness 
                  to share his knowledge and insights.  | 
              
               
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                  Do 
                    you go to any kind of church or does it have to be a certain 
                    denomination ?  | 
              
               
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                 Again, 
                  wherever the Lord clearly opens a door of opportunity, I try 
                  to go. Consequently, I have had the opportunity of ministering 
                  in a wide variety of denominations over the years. It does make 
                  a difference what people believe, however , I am not extremely 
                  concerned about the name over the church door where our ministry 
                  is concerned. Our primary thrust is to clearly communicate the 
                  truth of God's Word to the people who gather for a service and 
                  how Jesus Christ can transform their lives. The visual nature 
                  of the chalk artistry has opened many doors of opportunity that 
                  otherwise may have been closed to the truth of scripture. This 
                  has never occurred, but if I were contacted by a church that 
                  simply wanted an "art show" so to speak, and they 
                  made it clear that they wanted no mention of the Bible or the 
                  transforming power of the Gospel message...then obviously, I 
                  would not schedule that sort of an engagement.  
                   
                  Our priority to communicate the truth of scripture is based 
                  simply on the fact that "the meaning of the scripture is 
                  the scripture." A person can have a Bible, they can read 
                  the Bible, they can say they believe the Bible, but if they 
                  don't understand it, then they don't have God's message. It's 
                  the meaning that is the message. That's why we are commanded 
                  to make every effort to impart God's Word completely, accurately, 
                  and clearly according to 2 Timothy 2:15. This verse uses the 
                  phrase "rightly dividing the word of truth" which 
                  literally means "cutting it straight"....a reference 
                  to the exactness demanded by such trades as carpentry, masonry, 
                  and Paul's trade of leather working and tent making. | 
              
               
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                  I 
                    love your music, where do you get it ?  | 
              
               
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                 I use 
                  a variety of musical groups in my presentations. I always have 
                  music playing in the background as I draw. Usually, I try to 
                  pick songs that help convey the message that has just been given. 
                  Sometimes, the songs even tie into what I happen to be drawing 
                  at any given time. I use what we consider to be conservative 
                  Christian music, blending various song styles all the way from 
                  older hymns, southern Gospel and newer/conservative , more contemporary 
                  songs. Developing the music tracks is also pretty time consuming 
                  as I have to have everything timed out to fit the length of 
                  the drawing. The music is different, of course, for each presentation 
                  and always plays an important role in the services. The music 
                  always goes over so well, that we have had scores of people 
                  over the years ask to purchase it, even though we don't sell 
                  it....except through some of the videos. Of course, when she 
                  is able to accompany me, my wife, Shirley provides some special 
                  live music at the beginning of the presentations. This always 
                  adds a great deal to the overall program. She has a cassette 
                  tape available on this Web Site under "Special Offers"and 
                  also plans to do a new CD in the future. | 
              
               
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                  So, 
                    what's on your DVD's ?  | 
              
               
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                 A few years ago 
				I held meetings in a church that had some television equipment. 
				They offered to professionally record the services from beginning to end. 
				The guy who did it was very knowledgeable in the audio-visual field and did a great job. 
				The recordings are just like if you were to watch the entire service from beginning to end on TV. 
				He recorded 5 different presentations that week. They were available for purchase for a few 
				years but I am currently out of them. I feel they may be getting slightly outdated so my plan is 
				to someday, once again have several presentations professionally recorded on DVD's. | 
              
               
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                  Your 
                    sound system is the best one I've ever heard, what kind is 
                    it ?  | 
              
               
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                 This 
                  question is one we hear repeatedly. The brand is Electro-Voice. 
                  It is called the "100 M Entertainer" and does have 
                  a wonderful clear sound. My wireless microphone as well as Shirley's 
                  singing microphone are also Electro-Voice. We find it a little 
                  comical but sometimes even in a very large church that seemingly 
                  has all the latest equipment, we get all these questions about 
                  our sound equipment. I can't count the number of times people 
                  come up and say..."This is the first Sunday in years I 
                  could clearly hear every word that was said." We still 
                  use cassette tapes since we have so much stuff already recorded 
                  that way. I may eventually switch to CD's but I guess "if 
                  it ain't broke, don't fix it" applies here. I do have a 
                  CD player that I can run through my system but have only used 
                  it on occasion. | 
              
               
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                  How 
                    long does it take to set up all of your equipment ?  | 
              
               
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                 I allow 
                  about 2 full hours in most cases. Sometimes I will have help 
                  in unloading my trailer when I arrive and sometimes I don't. 
                  I have alot of heavy equipment and lots of things to assemble 
                  so it takes some time. Also, each location is a little different 
                  as to the size and layout of the platform/stage so I have to 
                  be prepared for the unexpected. | 
              
               
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                  I 
                    read somewhere that you have ran in those 26.2 mile marathons. 
                    How far do you run everyday ?  | 
              
               
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                 I began running back in high school, 
				primarily to get in shape for the basketball season. For some reason, I liked it and c
				ontinued it year round. In the 10 years or so following high school I did run in a couple 
				of marathons ( 26.2 miles ) as well as several other half marathons and 10 K's. 
				Then, I went a few years where I stopped for some reason and slowly got all out of shape. 
				Several years ago, I started again and have maintained a fairly rigorous schedule over the years. 
				I sometimes use an elliptical machine in addition to doing strength training with free weights 3 
				times per week with programs such as P90X.   | 
              
               
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                  Do 
                    you ever take a vacation ?  | 
              
               
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                 Yes. 
                  We try to take a little time off in the summer. For the past 
                  few years we have spent about a week in Branson, Missouri. My 
                  dad has a home there and Shirley's folks have a time-share condo 
                  they make available to us if needed. We really appreciate this 
                  since paying lodging for a whole week can get pretty expensive. | 
              
               
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                  Are 
                    you on the road all year, or just during certain months ?  | 
              
               
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                 My schedule 
                  stays pretty consistent throughout the year, although the summer 
                  months are sometimes a little lighter. Occasionally, even the 
                  summer months are very full, too. If I do have any "free 
                  time" during the summer I try to catch up on work around 
                  home and the numerous other things that pile up during the course 
                  of the year. I am not gone from home for extended periods. I 
                  try to be at home as much as possible and am usually just gone 
                  for 1- 6 days at a time, depending upon my schedule. However, 
                  I do not go out for 2-3 months at a time or anything like that. | 
              
               
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                  Where 
                    do you get all of your ideas ?   | 
              
               
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                 The foundation 
                  of all my presentations of course, is the Bible. However, the 
                  ideas for drawings, music and general topics or themes just 
                  come from my own mind and life experiences. I may hear a particular 
                  song that gives me an idea for a drawing, or, I may think of 
                  a meaningful drawing and then try to find music that would be 
                  appropriate to accompany it. Other times, I may have a particular 
                  "message" idea that I try to develop a drawing and 
                  music around. There is no set template that I use. I have lots 
                  of ideas in all of these categories that I have not yet had 
                  time to develop. The basic goal is to attempt to share Biblical 
                  truth in a visually captivating way that will in turn be used 
                  of God to "draw" people closer to Himself, and to 
                  in some way advance His Kingdom so that He gets all the glory. | 
              
               
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                  Do 
                    you have any presentations geared specifically to children 
                    ?  | 
              
               
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                 Not really, 
                  since our ministry is geared to reach the parents. Children 
                  do enjoy the drawings and on rare occasions I have done a few 
                  programs with only children in the audience. Reaching children 
                  may very well be more "important" than what I do, 
                  but that is not really my calling. Our ministry is most effective 
                  when it is presented to adults all the way down to the high 
                  school age group. | 
              
               
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                  When 
                    you are at one location for a whole week, what do you do during 
                    the day ?  | 
              
               
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                 I am 
                  normally at an area motel so I always bring work with me. I 
                  have a laptop computer that I can keep up with e-mails I may 
                  get at my home office. I often bring materials with me that 
                  I can work on throughout the day, such as new presentations 
                  that I am working on.  
                   
                  Each day I have to go to the church to work awhile to get everything 
                  prepared for the next service. Of course, I run sometime during 
                  the day depending upon what that days schedule may be. Sometimes, 
                  the Pastor will want me to visit some people with him or speak 
                  to another group within the church during the day. Occasionally, 
                  I will speak and draw for a special meeting of area Pastors 
                  and/or speak to a Christian School group during the day. The 
                  week usually passes by very quickly so I am never bored or run 
                  out of anything to do. | 
              
               
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                  What 
                    authors or Bible teachers do you like to listen to or read 
                    ?  | 
              
               
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                 John 
                  Mac Arthur would have to be one of my favorite authors and teachers. 
                  I have alot of his books and CD's. I'm afraid his style of "in-depth" 
                  teaching and preaching is fading fast in Christian circles today. 
                  Actually, there are a number of Pastors that I have greatly 
                  benefited from over the years. One book I read a couple years 
                  ago that I found to be quite interesting was Jerry Falwell's 
                  Autobiography. In a way, it sounds like it could be boring, 
                  but I had trouble even putting it down till I was finished. 
                  I also read from "My Utmost for His Highest" by Oswald 
                  Chambers each day. Even though it was written back in the early 
                  1900's, it is filled with many powerful insights. Also, the 
                  biographies of Christians of years gone by are very meaningful, 
                  men like A.W. Tozer, George Muller, Charles Spurgeon, Watchman 
                  Nee and Andrew Murray. | 
              
               
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                  Do 
                    you have a favorite Christian singer ?  | 
              
               
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                 This 
                  is a hard one because I love music and there are thousands of 
                  very talented singers (myself not included) Of course, my wife 
                  Shirley always tops my list. The Lord has used her voice and 
                  music style to touch many lives over the years. As far as male 
                  singers go, I guess I would have to say Steve Green. We have 
                  alot of his music and have seen him in person a number of times. 
                  His dedication to Christ and overall humility only adds to his 
                  one of a kind voice. I've often said that his music is like 
                  listening to an in depth sermon only through singing. Probably 
                  the best male singer I know personally is Phil Griffith. Phil 
                  is a Pastor and lives almost next door to us. I have heard thousands 
                  of singers throughout my lifetime but he simply has to be right 
                  at the top. I normally have some of his CD's available for purchase 
                  at my display table at my meetings. As of this writing I am 
                  currently out of them, but send me an e-mail if you would like 
                  a copy of his CD entitled , "Never Changing Father." 
                  I should be getting more copies soon, and may have them available 
                  right now for only $12.00. | 
              
               
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                  Have 
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                 No. I 
                  have been to a few of them over the years but not to the vast 
                  majority of them. It's sort of odd, but when you live in a community, 
                  I think there is a certain stigma attached to it. People evidently 
                  assume that if you live in Ottumwa, Iowa your ministry or business 
                  or whatever it is must lack quality and professionalism. Jesus 
                  even mentioned this phenomenon in John 4:44 when he "testified 
                  that a prophet has no honor in his own country." I am not 
                  a "prophet, of course, but I think the same general principle 
                  applies. I have had many others in similar lines of "church 
                  work" tell me the same thing.  
                   
                  A man in Texas told me he travels the whole country but is rarely 
                  in his own area. Another speaker in Michigan said, " I 
                  have only had TWO churches in Michigan invite me for a campaign 
                  in the past 35 years. There is a psychological impression that 
                  if a church imports a speaker from some long distance away....he 
                  must be good or they wouldn't bring him in from so far away. 
                  Distance lends enchantment. A missionary from Tibet, Nepal or 
                  Madagascar would have more "mystery" than a Missionary 
                  from Wyoming." I think he makes a good point.  
                   
                  Of course, I would welcome the opportunity to book lots of meetings 
                  close to home, but that is something I leave up to the Lord's 
                  leading. I have been to hundreds of churches in the state of 
                  Iowa, just not that many in our own hometown. Ottumwa is a city 
                  of about 25,000 population with probably 75-85 churches, at 
                  least. | 
              
               
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                    far away do you travel to have meetings ?  | 
              
               
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                 There 
                  is no set limit as to distance. Since 1987 we have been in 22 
                  states around the country. Other states, as well as a number 
                  of foreign countries, have requested us to come but due to our 
                  already full schedule we have not been able to go all those 
                  places. So far, we have held services in Iowa, Missouri, Illinois, 
                  Nebraska, Kansas, Colorado, Oklahoma, Texas, Ohio, Wisconsin, 
                  Minnesota, Indiana, Michigan, Florida, Arkansas, New York, North 
                  Carolina, North Dakota, South Dakota, Tennessee, Alabama and 
                  Pennsylvania.  | 
              
               
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                  Do 
                    you get lonely when you are by yourself ?  | 
              
               
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                 Sometimes. 
                  I do miss Shirley and Wendy a great deal, especially when I 
                  am gone for several days in a row. Of course, cell phones and 
                  e-mail help tremendously. We talk a few times each day when 
                  I have to be gone. Diligence is "visualizing each task 
                  as a special assignment from the Lord and using all my energies 
                  to accomplish it." Endurance is "the inward strength 
                  to withstand stress to accomplish God's best." Patience 
                  is "accepting a difficult situation from God without giving 
                  Him a deadline to remove it." Determination is "purposing 
                  to accomplish God's goals in God's time regardless of the opposition. 
                  " These are a few of the qualities I try to focus on when 
                  I get lonely. | 
              
               
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                  What 
                    made you decide to give your talents to the Lord and use them 
                    in Christian, rather than secular work ?  | 
              
               
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                 I do 
                  not believe we really "give God" our talents and abilities 
                  because we cannot "give God" what is not ours. What 
                  I have attempted to give the Lord is "the right to myself." 
                  This is difficult but necessary. I recall reading what Oswald 
                  Chambers wrote over 100 years ago....." We have the notion 
                  that we can consecrate our gifts to God. You cannot consecrate 
                  what is not yours; there is only one thing you can consecrate 
                  to God, and that is your right to yourself. (Romans 12:1) If 
                  you will give God your right to yourself, He will make a holy 
                  experiment out of you. God's experiments always succeed." 
                   
                   
                  In the early 1980's, I began to feel the Lord prompting me to 
                  get involved in some sort of Christian work. I knew it was not 
                  to be a Pastor or Missionary...but something. I struggled with 
                  this for a time when this door of chalk artistry was opened 
                  before me , as I describe in the answer to Question # 6. | 
              
               
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                  How 
                    do you get your hands clean after getting all that chalk on 
                    them ?  | 
              
               
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                 Primarily 
                  soap and water. My hands can become stained to a certain degree 
                  when having lots of meetings in a row...sort of like a mechanics 
                  hands. I found a spray called "Kork Rub" that works 
                  quite well to remove what soap and water won't quite get clean. | 
              
               
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                  What 
                    is the biggest misconception people have about Drawing Closer 
                    Ministries ?  | 
              
               
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                 Probably 
                  that it is something strictly for small children. Initially, 
                  some people assume chalk art would be in the category of Vacation 
                  Bible School, Junior Church, Kid's Bible Clubs etc. I am sure 
                  some form of chalk art could be used effectively in those areas, 
                  but what I do is targeted more to adults.  
                   
                  Another misconception is that it is strictly a series of drawings 
                  or almost an art show type format. A lady at a convenience store 
                  saw my truck and trailer while I was getting gas one time and 
                  asked me if I had any "Elvis" paintings for sale. 
                  As I once backed up to a church to unload equipment , a guy 
                  came out and said, "Well, we have an old chalkboard back 
                  here in one of the class rooms if you just want to use it." 
                   
                   
                  Generally, many people do not realize at first that the chalk 
                  art is only about 1/3 of our presentations. The main part is 
                  the visually illustrated teaching that precedes the drawing. 
                  Some have said the teaching is the "meat and potatoes and 
                  the drawing is the gravy" or the teaching is the "cake 
                  and the drawing is the frosting." It has been very encouraging 
                  over the years because nearly every single 'series' of meetings 
                  I have ever held has produced the same pattern in people. The 
                  first service or two, people are all intrigued by the chalk 
                  drawing and the whole concept of the hidden picture that emerges 
                  at the end. By the second or third service people begin taking 
                  lots of notes and becoming more consumed with what is being 
                  taught , than with what is being drawn. Lots of people make 
                  comments like...  
                   
                  " These drawings are awesome but I would come back tomorrow 
                  night even if you weren't drawing a picture. " That is 
                  the whole purpose of the ministry. If all I did was draw pictures 
                  to hear some "oohs and ahhs"I would have quit many 
                  years ago.  | 
              
               
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                    you have found answers to some of the questions you may have 
                    had. If not, feel free to send me an e-mail or letter and 
                    ask anything you want. Obviously, I have been ask many more 
                    questions than these over the years, but these 40 are a few 
                    that seemed to pop into my head first. 
                     
                    A few closing thoughts.......Serving 
                    the Lord is the most exciting and rewarding experience on 
                    earth, and yet, at the same time, it is the most difficult. 
                    A philosopher once observed that there are 2 great tragedies 
                    in life. The first tragedy is NOT getting the desires of our 
                    heart. The second tragedy is GETTING them. The problem is 
                    that we often think we know what we want in life, but when 
                    we finally get it, it is not what we thought it was going 
                    to be. We are then sometimes disappointed and disillusioned. 
                     
                    For this reason we must FIRST seek the face of the Giver before 
                    seeking his gifts. There is a built-in reward for all who 
                    do this. A 16 year old King of Israel discovered that "as 
                    long as he SOUGHT the Lord, God made him to prosper." 
                    (2 Chronicles 26:5 ) Notice that 
                    God does not say that He will bless our LABOR for Him, but 
                    He will bless our SEEKING of Him. In fact, 
                    He reproved the church at Ephesus for losing their first love 
                    for Him, even though they were busy doing "good works." 
                    ( See Revelation 2:15) 
                     
                    GOD WANTS US TO SEEK HIS FACE.....RATHER THAN HIS HAND. 
                     
                    One of the practical reasons for seeking the Lord is so that 
                    He will give us the right desires. Then we will WANT the right 
                    things. " Delight thyself also in the Lord; and He shall 
                    give thee the desires of thine heart." (Psalm 37:4) 
                     
                    One thing I have focused on more this year than anything else 
                    is to strive to OBEY and SEEK the Lord.... before getting 
                    so wrapped up in SERVING the Lord. Certainly we need to serve 
                    the Lord as believers. However, it is sometimes easy to become 
                    so engulfed in SERVING the Lord...that on closer inspection 
                    we sometimes discover we are not SEEKING or really OBEYING 
                    the Lord. Oswald Chambers wrote a powerful statement when 
                    he wrote this.... 
                     
                    "The greatest competitor of devotion to Jesus is service 
                    for Him." 
                     
                    Since there is nothing more important in life or foundational 
                    to daily success, I am praying that nothing will hinder you 
                    from seeking the Lord's face. Do now what you must do someday. 
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